The Mother

Agenda

Volume 8

September 23, 1967

I've had another visit from Mrs. Z....

She is pertinacious.

She won't let go!

So what happened?

I can sum it up in two words. She again told me about her religion, and I said, “But listen, if you are satisfied with that religion, follow it!” Then she said this: “But you have secrets which we don't have.”

Oh, so that's it....

Then what did you tell her?

I told her I wasn't a guru, that if she wanted to follow this path, she had to have a guru and I wasn't here to spread the Good News. I told her, “If you walk alone on this path, you run the risk of taking your thoughts and desires for God's commandments, so it helps to have a guru who protects and leads you. But I am not a guru.” And I told her once more, “If you wish, Mother is there and you can turn to her.” Then there was a little something that made me angry: she said, “Sri Aurobindo, yes, I understand Sri Aurobindo; Sri Aurobindo is an Avatar, but the Mother... she is a highly developed personality, but not an Avatar.” I replied, “But what kind of perception do you have to say things of that sort!” Then I added, “It doesn't matter in the least ...

Yes.

“...So long as one doesn't know, one talks about it; as for me, I don't say, ‘Mother is an Avatar’ or ‘Mother is not an Avatar,’ I don't say anything. When you have the perception, you are able to say. That's all.” Finally I told her, “I am not a guru.”

(Mother laughs) It's very funny!

I think the little lady is ambitious: she isn't so much after Knowledge as after power.

But she is pestering you....

I take it as you told me to.

That's the only way.

Because she will come again, it's not the end.

Oh, yes, she is pertinacious.

But that's the crux of the matter: “You have secrets which we don't have.”

Yes, that's it. But she only has to read! If she reads everything she will have the secrets, they are ALL there. They are all there, all of them.

That's the beauty of it: as long as you are in the mind, you can go on reading indefinitely without catching hold of the thing!...